That's the democratic party when they were the conservative party of america or still housed most of its social conservatives. Read my post below for more info. The republicans are no the party of the south and conservatism. You seem fond of the revisionist history of the Republican Party which claims FDR (voted in 4 times, new deal, saved us from the great depression, led the US to victory in WWII, championed the poor,) prolonged the great depression, Reagan (War on Drugs, weakening of the unions, trickle down economics) was the greatest domestic president, and that the KKK are still members of the democratic party when they are now overwhelmingly in support of conservatives. Maybe a quick visit to storm front and their political bashing or a listen into some of the callers on conservative radio will enlighten you.
-Angilas04
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I guess you never heard of the Southern Strategy or the fact that the majority of blatant racists including the dixiecrats fled to the republican party some time between FDR and Reagan. Why do you think racist southerners were pleased when JFK was assassinated in Dallas. One of the biggest proponents of civil rights in the white house was killed.
Republican Trent Lott and former democrat who switched parties during the southern strategy- Stom Thurmond pushed Reagan to support federal tax cuts being extended to Bob Jones University, which banned interracial dating, undermining the same attorneys the Jimmy Carter administration pushed with the IRS to remove their federal tax cut guarantee.
It wasn't until the NCAA stepped in and brought publicity to the issue that they backed off. How about you take a visit to stormfront or read the racist comments posted in any story linked to by the biggest conservative website drudge report if you think Republicans of today are your friends. Minorities vote democrat for good reason. Not all republicans are racist but the vast majority of blatant racists are republicans, and people like Ted Nugent are welcomed by them with open arms. He was invited by GOP rep Steve Stockman to the state of the union and has called Obama a subhuman mongrel.
BTW the NRA used to oppose the individual right to own guns out of fear blacks and latino's would own them back during civil rights. They support it now in the interest of the manufacturers who line their pockets and lobby. I'm not against a persons right to own a hand gun, but they seem to draw the line at nothing short of a nuclear deterrent and would have the streets flooded with semi automatics requiring no background checks.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
-Angilas04
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1. The southern strategy continues to this day. Why do you think Republicans are now overwhelmingly the party of the south? They also find their support highest in the areas immediately surrounding former plantations. Though demographics are changing so in a decade they may even lose their grip on Texas.
2. The only lie is pretending that the likes of Strom Thurmond didn't leave the Democratic Party for the Republicans due to to the civil rights act. He first joined the Dixiecrats, a splinter group from the Democratic party immediately after Truman integrated the armed services and then ultimately left the Democrats for the Republicans in '64 after LBJ swayed the majority of democrats into pushing for civil rights.
3. Republicans have been engaging in history revisionism as of late and its pretty disturbing. You're right in saying that the South is conservative. It always has been and patently illustrates how the parties have switched sides over time. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt - progressives of old and republicans. FDR, JFK, LBJ - progressives during the transition period, democrats (though there were republicans during this era who still held and ran on progressive views). Clinton, Obama- progressives of the modern era- all democrats. Social conservatives traditionally prefer the status quo, which has meant slavery, segregation, or internationally apartheid. Social progressives want to move forward socially whether its minority rights, investment in education and technology, or rights of the poor. This goes for other countries as well. Democrats are the progressive party of the modern era. In the past it was the republicans.
4. Never said Stormfront was run by the republican party, merely that the vast majority of their members are conservative republicans. They use racist language like that of staunch republican supporter and mouth peice who has been seconded by the likes of Sarah Palin and recently invited to the State of the Union by a GOP Rep, Ted Nugent, calling blacks and other minorities subhuman mongrels. Drudge Report however is a republican website, and its posters flood any story linked to it with racist language similar to that of Stormfront, the only difference being that they seem less hateful of the jews. You won't see a democratic website in that vein.Not saying there aren't democrats who hold racist views. But the vast majority of blatant racists who choose their political allegiance on racist views are staunch conservatives and in this country, Republicans.
5. On the subject of the NRA and gun control look up the Mulford Act. As a direct response to fears of the old black panther party (not the new one which is a fringe group) during the 1960s civil rights era, restricting the ability to own and carry guns in public. Reagan pushed this act. Then in the 80s when fears of Blacks with illegal guns were on the rise they switched stances and encouraged the use of guns, and played off those fears. Reagan's administration heavily demonized blacks during the War on Drugs and almost exclusively focused on black use and sale of drugs, mainly cocaine, when whites even used crack in higher numbers. You may want to watch the Many Rivers documentary to refresh your memory of this.
The NRA may have originally been pro training but during the 60s their stance was motivated by race, now all that matters to them is green, and they'd push you to be able to own a rocket launcher with no background check if it realistically served their agenda.
As I said I'm not against your right to own a hand gun, rifle or even a shotgun to protect yourself. But semi-automatics without background checks don't have many uses besides mass murder. If you just want it because you want it and think you need because you interpret the 2nd amendment the way the modern conservative supreme court does and kind of ignore the militia element, then I suppose to go toe to toe with big govt you want WMD's too?
You're more knowledgeable on history than marcw52, unfortunately you seem completely versed in the revisionist history propagated by the modern republican party and are unfortunately spreading this misinformation to the uninformed. If I wasnt in school, working, and starting a business I'd be there to educate you and those like you every step of the way. But then I'd fail in my own goals which I think can do more to lead people to the truth than these online debates. Its so many of you spreading this propaganda now that I'm really starting to believe Murdoch and the Koch brothers are paying people to do this. Which reminds me, another example of the modern racism in the republican party listen to fox news or try to view some of the posts there.
You're sure to see a lot of racism openly available and accepted there.
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While my other comment is waiting approval before lunch ends I will simply say that Theodore Roosevelt founded the progressive party and ran for a third term. He was staunchly against nearly everything republicans of today stand for with regard to business and economics. For you to sit here and claim that he was not a progressive or simply ignore the fact that the south used to be democratic when it was still part of the Bible Belt which often twists and perverts Christian values such as love thy neighbor but if you're struggling then too bad, shows your deceitfulness. It's not egotistical to say I could educate you when you spread so much misinformation that any child with a basic grasp of US history could educate you.
-Angilas04
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I dont think I misunderstood anything.
Your post is completely revisionist in its historical, though I do like your personal donation bit, I dislike your attempts to spread faulty history that I'm 99% certain no reputable historian would support unless they're bought and paid for by the GOP.
You claim Theodore Roosevelt would be appalled at the comparison to modern democrats, yet he was a the original opponent to big business in this country. The trust busting he championed is the literal opposite of the republican mantra. The deregulation and trickle down economics of the Reagan, and Bush eras led directly to the huge disparity you see today between the 0.01% .1% and 1% whose incomes have all more than tripled over the past 3 decades as the rest have declined or remained stagnant (I'll attempt to link a chart after this post). You also forget that he championed the progressive income tax. Walk softly and carry a big stick yes, but not if that stick cost you more than all the other worlds sticks combined and is the majority of your budget as you sacrifice domestically to compensate for republican paranoia
The reason I said you ignore the fact that democrats were the southern party of old refers directly to the statement in your previous post: "The reason why there’s such a large percentage of Republicans in the South is because Republicans tend to be conservative and far more moral than Democrats, which tend to be liberal/socialist. The Southern states arepart of the Bible belt and so they’re generally more focused on morality and traditional family values, which are conservative Republican ideals."
You're playing loose with the facts if you claim the southern strategy had no effect when the majority of the south was formerly democratic. If you think Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott, and Ted Nugent loving politicians are the exception in the republican party pay attention to what is actually said on any mainstream conservative website blog, the biggest two being drudge and fox, which do not disparage the opposing party the way huffpost or dailykos do but are instead filled with racist, prejudiced language and diatribe, or take note the next time a black woman at the GOP convention is having peanuts thrown at her, or the next time conservatives take a stance completely opposed to minority rights and issues.
There's a reason your party lost the black vote, latino vote, asian vote, jewish vote, native american vote and every other minority in the country. You're probably a conservative idealist who believes that the party upholds traditional values. They do not, youve been brainwashed. The only concern of the majority of leaders in your party is a paycheck. The fact you think obama is a socialist when Nixon was for a graduated income tax over twice the percentage at the top of what obama's pushed for shows how far you've been brainwashed. You need to accept the FACT that the parties switched places prior to Reagan and that any voting map will readily show it.
Anyone thats buying your fantasy of history during the modern era I'd encourage to double check those statistics as well. Also I wanted to discuss the war on drugs with you earlier, which you claim targeted minorities due to violence, yet you ignore the fact that there was a huge shift in arrests as a result of the WoD from violent offenders making up the majority of our prison population to nonviolent offenders being arrested at far higher rates. You've got mandatory minimum sentencing laws on the books now putting some guilty of possession in as long as if not longer than murderers in many cases.
I don't get the sense that you're a bad person. Just incredibly misled politically. I dont mind if your reason for spreading republicanism is rooted in your stance on abortion or because your family has been in the party for a century. What I do mind is when your stance is based on the revised history that the party has been pushing this past decade, and you're actively spreading it to further confuse people who don't know better. Yes I have better things to do with my time and doubt anyone is reading past this point, but I hope you at least reevaluate the change in membership and location of the parties as evidence of the southern strategies existence.
As your family had ties to Reagan, mine did to Tip O'neill, so I can understand your desire to overlook his flaws. I'll acknowledge Tip's in supporting the WoD as a result of pressure in Boston following the Len Bias' overdose. JFK I will acknowledge did mishandle bay of pigs, but thats exactly why he was assassinated, because he sought to target the jobs of those same intelligence officers who misinformed him. His optimism also led us to the moon and he and lbj's efforts helped expedite this country's path to civil rights, enacted under Johnson's presidency. LBJ's war on poverty great society, and the civil rights act were some of the greatest domestic policies this country attempted to embark on. FDR's new deal also helped the prime pumping of this country out of the great depression and the poor loved him for it. Today's republicans would frame it as redistribution of the wealth although it rebuilt this land's necessary infrastructure.
-Angilas04
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“The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political “football game” that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives…. Once the Negro learns to think for himself, he will no longer allow the white liberal to use him as a helpless football in the white man’s crooked game of “power politics.” The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.” -- Excerpts from 1963 speech by Malcolm X: “God’s Judgement of White America.” -- Founding Affidavit of L Johnstone to Norway Supreme Court in Norway v Anders Breivik.
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To replace the system of Secret Society management of the seething energies of lucifer which manifest as ‘white supremacy’, ‘racism’, ‘sexism’, etc; we must address the root causes of the problem: ecological and egological illiteracy. We must establish a system that limits procreation and consumption to carrying capacity limits.
Put simply: if your christian, islamic, pagan, atheist or whatever church, or white, black, green, pink or whatever activist or cultural group you belong to; does not teach in simple language your groups village idiot can understand, advocate for, endorse and require ecological literacy competency of its members (aka the implementation of national and international law which limits breeding and consuming to below carrying capacity limits for everyone) it is unequivocally — consciously or unconsciously — endorsing and participating in the Secret Society Human Factory Farm game of managing the ‘seething energies of lucifer’.
-- Truthseeker: Subliminal messages in TRON: Legacy; Remembering the Past and Learning in the Present; The Truth will Come out Part 2; and Racism is White Supremacy: Home of Trojan Horse Press.
Total non-sense You don't understand the basics of US politics
Classical liberalism is the political ideology of todays' Conservatism
Are you even an American?
Didn't realise this page was a thing but it explains how you found my posts.
At any rate you claim I don't understand the basics of US politics yet you're the same idiotic racist who stated : "Stop playing game Sambo" and claims David Duke is an agent provocateur for the democrats, despite running as a neocon since the 80s and allying himself with your favorite party.
Maybe it would take you being black at a GOP convention and having peanuts bounced off your face to realize where the blatant racists can be found. Not that there aren't racist and prejudiced democrats. Just the vast majority are republicans and have been since before the Reagan admin.
Andrea, just found this page, but if you're still there realize that Malcolm X did not have the advantage of time on his side and died during a period where the parties were still sorting themselves out in the midst of the civil rights movement. Republicans and Democrats had many progressives during the period in which he was killed and even the Catholic Church had accepted evolution, which also teaches the equality of people. The politics of America of today is vastly different and would have been hard to predict at that time.
For the Republican Party to become the party of the south and swing so far right is a direct result of the southern strategy. My messages are often typed in haste and ussually from small devices rather than large keyboards so you'll note mistakes in acronyms I typically wouldn't make like calling the NAACP the ncaa at one point, but you get the point. Lincoln was a liberal of his time who paid the ultimate sacrifice for freeing the slaves, whereas Boothe could not stand the idea of abolition. He was a confederate spy from southern Maryland standing in stark opposition to his progressive and unionist brother who had moved to New York. I doubt you'll find many flying confederate flags today and wish for old Dixie voting for democrats. Regardless of what lies they weave, and half truths they cling to, the party of conservatives today, the party of the south, and the party that thrives on support from racists to secure its vote is the GOP.
If you choose to think they're the same and prefer not to vote its your prerogative. Just know when it comes to aid for minority districts, support for ground up job creation, and fighting against discrimination in the justice system most republicans couldn't be less interested. Voting for them is voting for trickle down economics, ensuring the wealth of the select few at the top and assuming whatever they choose to inject back into the market will eventually trickle down to poor whites and minorities, though most of it never will.
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